Appropriate or not in CrOZworld?

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crowsman
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Appropriate or not in CrOZworld?

Post by crowsman » Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:46 am

OK, Ian, I'll open a new topic here.
We all appreciate that certain words and expressions appearing in CrOZworld puzzles should not offend anyone, and our esteemed editor ensures that.
However, in a recent publication elsewhere, I was somewhat surprised to see the vulgar(?) word ARSE appear as an answer. I doubt Ian would allow it, and rightfully so. Nevertheless, what if that word was not an answer to be entered, but merely one ingredient within a clue? For example, suppose we wanted to clue the answer REHEARSE, with the verb 'practise' as the definition.
One plan is REHEARS + E, such as the following with an apparent rugby theme of practising tries:

Practise tries again, before Eel's opener (8)

Here, "tries again = rehears", as in court cases. This is obviously fine.
But what about

Practise here, sadly behind (8)

This is HERE* + ARSE.

Do members think this second clue should be acceptable in CrOZworld?

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Re: Appropriate or not in CrOZworld?

Post by Mrs Goanna » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:51 pm

crowsman wrote:
Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:46 am
Practise tries again, before Eel's opener (8)

Here, "tries again = rehears", as in court cases. This is obviously fine.
But what about

Practise here, sadly behind (8)

This is HERE* + ARSE.

Do members think this second clue should be acceptable in CrOZworld?

Crowsman
Personally, I think as fodder in the second example this is fine. For me, the offensiveness of the word comes with its usage. But, in saying that, there are some words that I wouldn't include at all. So who draws that arbitrary line?

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Re: Appropriate or not in CrOZworld?

Post by zinzan » Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:41 pm

I'm not too fussed by 'arse'. It has other benign usages.
But of course, there'll always be a 'grey area' of offensiveness.

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Re: Appropriate or not in CrOZworld?

Post by ianwilliams » Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:54 pm

ARSE and similar words describing posterior don't worry me too much in the context of approving clues that will not offend members. However, while in that region, I recently came across a construction using the letters FART defined in the normal usage of breaking wind. A good old Anglo-Saxon word, labelled by Chambers as "vulgar slang". Any views on its acceptability?
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Re: Appropriate or not in CrOZworld?

Post by crowsman » Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:09 am

Ian, I would have no qualms if a clue like the following appeared in CrOZworld:

More extreme is to let off that female! (7)

Answer: FARTHER.

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Re: Appropriate or not in CrOZworld?

Post by zinzan » Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:50 am

Hence the grey area.
While FART in itself is not really offensive, you have to then consider the context of 1. your audience, 2. how the setter wants to be perceived, 3. the humour of the clue, 4. the tone of the puzzle.

I don't think a lot of people want 'toilet' references, be it URINATE and it's many synonyms, and . . . well, you know. FART is in that ballpark.
However if the puzzle is all a bit rude (like those Private Eye puzzles) then it's not much trouble. But if it's the only FART reference in a normal clue set then it's a bit more jarring.

As a setter, it's always tempting but is it worth it ?

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